For TOO LONG you have allowed the past to affect you!
For TOO LONG you have taken personally what others say about you!
For TOO LONG you have stood on the sidelines watching others thrive!
For TOO MANY NIGHTS you have gone to bed worrying about what may be.
For TOO LONG you have held a fear in your heart.
For TOO LONG you have settled for second best!!

NOW is the time to awaken!
NOW is the time to shine!
NOW is the time to ACCEPT that you are DIVINE!!
You always had the power!

This is my message for you. Allow it to touch the deepest parts of your being to help you awaken to the truth that you do deserve to live a great life!

~ Lee-Anne Peters ~

Before we start make a promise to yourself:
“ I will take several deep breaths, every day when I wake up and before I go to sleep, then exhale slowly to waken my energy for the day and for my dreams and to release old patterns and declutter toxic beliefs. When I take these breaths I will feel grateful for my life. ”


In this article I will summarise persistent 8th house themes so people who are having their first or second Saturn returns may see if there is an area that they need to concentrate on and heal. I include a number of case studies of well-known people with Saturn in their 8th house. This article is written for both professional astrologers and people learning astrology.

While I am writing about any Saturn return that falls in the eighth house it is the second Saturn return that people are feeling particularly anxious about. I have a lot of people lately tell me how much difficulty they had with their second Saturn return. At the age of 28 or the first Saturn return, our heart chakra seeks to expand as it longs for love. At this age our heart is ready for real love, peace, unity, brotherhood and sisterhood, joy and a penetrating awareness of the sacredness of all things. But at our second Saturn return we have been through our first Saturn return and our Pluto square Pluto, as well as a Uranus opposition Uranus; a Chiron return maybe a divorce or more than one marriage or partnership breakup; death of a parent; loss of a marital home and now a second Saturn return. The question is have you dealt with everything that happened to you in the last twenty eight years and for that matter have you dealt with everything in the last 58 years?

I too am going through a Saturn return and Saturn has just been through my eighth house. I have found the following maxims or approaches very helpful rather than being stuck in anxiety or rage.

• How big is your heart at your second Saturn return or have you closed it down totally? I went to see therapists who could help me open my heart and see a light at the end of the tunnel.
• Inner Peace comes from remembering that only love and compassion are real rather than fear. I worked on laughter, rather than tears through meditation, mindfulness, yoga, gardening, lots of exercise and being with loved ones, including my dog.
• When you soften your heart and reframe, with respect to situations (crises, traumas, people) whom or which you have deigned black and white or irredeemable, compassion and understanding come in place of labelling of others and self-denigration. Reading up on and working through characterological-developmental models through Stephen Johnson’s (Character Styles) model and Barbara Ann Brennan’s model and a lot of therapy which included massage, shamanic journeys and homeopathy has made a massive difference to my life and bought inner peace.
• Then we may resolve or move on instead of being stuck.

What I suggest is that if you really are concerned about your life is that you do not just go over and over the areas you see as negative and obsess about the difficulties that you see as insurmountable. There is always someone to talk to. In Australia we have free services with a psychologist for six sessions. We can see doctors for free. We have all sorts of social clubs and sporting clubs where one can join for free. We have legal aid offices where all you need to do to get help from a social worker or solicitor for a number of sessions is give a small donation. We have free libraries where were you can have free internet for an hour a day.

Always seek advice and be open. If by some stroke of bad luck you strike a difficult doctor or difficult psychologist there will always be a nice one the next day. You can also join Facebook and make friends with some very nice people. I have met some delightful people in Facebook. Yes, I am aware that one of the big stumbling blocks here is a total lack of trust. We actually can take homeopathic remedies and have shamanic healing to unlock the issue of “not trusting” when we have trauma between the ages of 6 and 13.


Where Saturn falls in your chart is probably the area you take the most seriously. It is where you may overcompensate in your urge for security, but where Saturn is, is where we have the determination to build solid long lasting success through hard work. Saturn’s domain is probably the area where you seek your career, but also where delays and limitations appear. It is a gritting of your teeth place. Lessons learned through Saturn are lessons you will never forget. But most of all the people who contact me about Saturn especially in the 8th house are where they feel that there is something really wrong with them. And this is why I am writing this article: to let you know that the 8th house actually has many lovely areas; deep areas, but fascinating areas. There is always a rainbow in every storm and as you read this I want you to remember that.


Basically the 8th house includes:
• Inheritance, including the inheritance of skills and talents and behaviours from ancestors.
• A partner’s death or disappearance,
• Death,
• Regeneration,
• Taxes, insurance.
• Sex,
• Other people’s money,
• The occult,
• The shadows of the psyche,
• Defences
• Crises
• Emotional intensity,
• Sexuality,
• Secrets,
• Taxes.
• Joint finances,
• Death,
• Passion
• Intuition,
• Healing


Well here we are with Saturn in its own sign. It is happy here. I have taken this example from another of my articles and I love it. This person has been both a long-time friend and client. I will call him Horatio. His Moon opposition Saturn in the 8th indicated ancestors who were beaten down, bitter and angry and there were generations and generations of them to heal, but Horatio endured. Perhaps I could say he put up with it for the sake of clearing the clutter from his heart chakra.

Erin Sullivan in her book on “The Astrology of Family Dynamics” suggests that Saturn in the 8th house people are afraid of death and the dark (p. 193) , but this man faces death regularly in the dangerous world he works in and does shift work so he is wake all night and he mostly works in the dark. He has an uncanny ability to see in the dark too. Erin Sullivan also sees people with this Saturn as skeptics and he certainly was and came from a family of skeptics and atheists. When I met him he hated anything that smacked of spirituality or religion, but now he is a man of faith and compassion and he actually can do hands on healing. Erin Sullivan also suggests 8th house people are highly ritualistic and he is, but he does have Sun opposite Pluto in Virgo and a Virgo MC. He could not survive in the remote construction camps he works in without obeying all the rules and regulations and daily rituals out there and yes, that is very Saturn-Pluto-Mars.

His Pisces planets (Mercury and Venus) meant he only went to natural therapists. Gradually I recommended shamanic practitioner friends and then began to work with him myself. Horatio’s past life regression healings were full of skirmishes and battles, where he had been killed in and battles him had been maimed. I would say he has had at least forty shamanic healings. He never gives up. But this man is a success story now. He is well, and strong, honest and kinder in his speech, but still eats sparingly. He is an example of the best side of the 8th house Saturn. Erin Sullivan suggests that Saturn in the 8th house people must “Undergo a complete dissolution of the boundary between the ego and the Deep transcendent self before [he] is allowed to take on the power which lies in the realm of the ancestors” (p. 193) and over a period of eleven years Horatio has faced his dragons and won.

When we finally reached that stage we found that Horatio had been a druid in in past lives and his ancestors a long way back had been shamanic practitioners and wise Elders, he was so happy. He is now a man at peace with himself with human friends. He chats happily with people and although he still works in engineering fields he teaches exercises to men, does shamanic healing occasionally and grows herbs. Miracle! Needless to say he does not go near toxic people.


The 8th house is known by many as the most difficult of the houses, but whether this is a fact is debatable. It could be a belief and a belief is simply a habit of the mind that can be changed by a little discipline (Saturn.) So let us keep an open mind as we look at the 8th house.

It is the stelliums in the 8th house that can make it difficult. I have had clients who were born in late 1947 who have a stellium of Mars, Saturn and Pluto in Leo in the 8th house, and I have also met the cohort with Saturn, Mars and Pluto in Libra from 1982 and 1981. Then there is the 1979 cohort with Virgo in Saturn, Mars and Jupiter in the 8th house.

I’m going to look at an 8th house archetype: EMOTONAL INTENSITY first.
JOHN BELUSHI’s character is probably one of the symbols of the emotional intensity of the Baby Boomer generation. He was one of Robin William’s friends and will forever be remembered for his part in the film The Blue’s Brothers with Dan Acroyd. The movie is an unforgettable comedy: Jake and Elwood Blues, two blues singers and petty criminals, must stage a concert to save the orphanage in which they grew up.

My favourite scene which is pure Saturn in the 8th. Can I dare say it: A spoof on overcoming dramas of financial entanglements; emotional isolation; fear of the unknown; sexual problems; trait of withholding, disappointments in love.

“Mystery Woman starts shooting at Elwood and Jake.
Elwood: “Who is that girl?”
Mystery Woman: “Well, Jake, you look just fine down there, slithering in the mud like vermin.”
Jake: “No problem.”
Mystery Woman: “You’re not gonna get away from me this time.”
[Mystery Woman recklessly fires around the tunnel, causing pipes to leak and water to burst out]
Jake: [gets up, his suit ruined by the mud] “I t’s good to see you, sweetheart.”
Mystery Woman: “You contemptible pig! I remained celibate for you. I stood at the back of a cathedral, waiting, in celibacy, for you, with three hundred friends and relatives in attendance. My uncle hired the best Romanian caterers in the state. To obtain the seven limousines for the wedding party, my father used up his last favour with Mad Pete Trullo. So for me, for my mother, my grandmother, my father, my uncle, and for the common good, I must now kill you, and your brother.”
[Jake walks forward a few steps and falls to his knees]Jake: “Oh, please, don’t kill us. Please, please don’t kill us. You know I love you, baby. I wouldn’t leave ya. It wasn’t my fault.”
Mystery Woman: “You miserable slug! You think you can talk your way out of this? You betrayed me.
Jake: No I didn’t. Honest… I ran out of gas! I–I had a flat tire! I didn’t have enough money for cab fare! My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN’T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!!!”
[Elwood covers his head in anticipation of more gunfire. Jake removes his sunglasses to make a wordless appeal, and the Mystery Woman visibly softens]
Mystery Woman: “Oh, Jake… Jake, honey…” [Jake embraces the Mystery Woman and they kiss]
Jake: [to Elwood] “Let’s go.”[He drops the Mystery Woman and walks off]
Elwood: [to the Mystery Woman as he steps past her] “Take it easy.”

John Belushi was known as being “wired”, probably because of his Mercury conjunct Mars in his first house in Aquarius. To use the Baby Boomer vernacular he was “pretty way out.” His Saturn was in Virgo in the 8th house and it quinunxed his Sun in Aquarius. How do you put those two together, except for the fact that Saturn rules Aquarius? Eek!

On March 5, 1982 he died (not long after his first Saturn return. ) He was only 33 years old. The cause of death was an overdose of cocaine and heroin, a drug combination also known as a speedball. In the early morning hours on the day of his death, he was visited separately by friends Robin Williams and Robert De Niro, each of whom left the premises; leaving Belushi in the company of assorted others, one of whom administered the fatal dose. He is remembered on the Belushi family stone marking his mother’s grave. This stone reads, “HE GAVE US LAUGHTER.” A meticulous account of John Belushi’s life is written in the 1984 biography “Wired: The Short Life and Fast Times of John Belushi” by Bob Woodward. The book was adapted into a film in which Belushi was played by Michael Chiklis.

Even though Robin Williams did not have Saturn in the 8th house, his recent death and friendship with John Belushi seems to indicate that he belongs here. Robin Williams had Lilith in Cancer and Uranus, Mars and Sun all in his 8th house in Leo in his 8th house. He was born in 1951. And the world now knows of his continual depression, substance abuse and substance abuse alters our serotonin and GABA levels radically. Gamma-amino butyric acid (GABA) is the primary inhibitory neurotransmitter in the brain; a chemical messenger which aids in relaxation and sleep and regulates anxiety. The alternative medicine valerian root supposedly helps GABA regulation. Continual inner turmoil and tension is often seen with challenging planets like Mars, Uranus, Saturn and Pluto in the 8th house. It would seem though that the threat of Parkinson’s disease was the final straw that pushed Robin Williams to suicide. There is so much material that looks at a person’s childhood as being the foundation of inherent disturbances in our character, and Robin William’s parents were not there for him during his childhood. But like John Belushi he made us laugh with his emotional intensity.

Let’s look at PHILLIP now, someone who had a far worse childhood, but has endured to have a third Saturn return. Phillip, a former World War II hero and veteran and finally navy commander had a rotten upbringing. He had Saturn and Jupiter conjunct in Virgo in his eighth and a Capricorn ascendant. Because of threats to his parents he moved from country to country in Europe from when he was one. His deaf mother was eventually sent to an insane asylum when he was ten years of age and his father abandoned Phillip in favour of gambling and love affairs. His beloved aunts and uncles were killed and died when he was still a teenager and he was sent to a harsh school. With his Sun conjunct Mars and Moon in Leo he was known as “rough and boisterous, but always polite and charming.” Later in life he was known to be cantankerous and renowned for his lack of tact. He was married to an important woman who had been in love with him for seven years just before his Saturn return and promoted to commander around his first Saturn return and at that time had his second child. The year after he was forced to resign from the navy due to family pressures. Two years after his wife became Queen of England. Philip is patron of some 800 organisations, particularly focused on the environment, industry, sport, and education. He served as UK President of the World Wildlife Fund from 1961 to 1982 and his second Saturn return was in late 1979. It was also a time when he was concerned that his son Charles had not made any commitment to marriage when he was over 30. On his third Saturn return in 2009 he had been quite ill, but has refused to give up his royal duties even though he is now 93. He is one of the rare people I have been able to find with a third Saturn return.

Even though he has had to perform royal duties virtually every day of his life since he has never had the anxiety of not having enough money or fighting to exist. He in fact is a millionaire. His wife has adored him since she was 13 and so have his family. He hasn’t substance abused or been a smoker. He has only been married once. So my conclusion is here that it is every day that counts and apart from financial anxiety we can impose our own stress. This guy did have to have faith that it would all turn out because he could have been killed quite easily from the time he was one year of age and everyone around him died, but he does not ever seem to have taken that on. So faith and knowledge that we will survive and gratefulness and joy are important traits for a Saturn in the 8th house person. Be grateful for what you have. I always am and this attitude helps me when things are difficult.

Secrets are 8th house phenomena and yes, Phillip Mountbatten had a pile of family secrets, but they do not seem to affect him. His sister Sophie’s husband was an Oberfuhrer in the Nazi regime. She then married a son of Wilhelm II of Germany even though the Queen’s father forbade this. Sophie visited Prince Phillip and his family frequently until her death in 2001. Her three other sisters’ husbands were also Nazis. Phillip’s mother who was deaf and was diagnosed as a schizophrenic until she set up a religious home in Athens. At the end of her life she lived with Phillip and his family.

For everyone concerned “other people’s money” sure made everything easier. It sure beats being homeless.


INHERITANCE. Our inheritance may be money inherited from our parents, family or those who cared about us, but it may also be talents and gifts we inherited through family and ancestors. Inheritance may include behaviours which are passed down through one’s lineage. The behaviours may include good fortune or seeming bad luck; positive or negative beliefs; abuse or great love and caring from one’s ancestors. Erin Sullivan in her book The Astrology of Family Dynamics states that in her experience this house may speak of family lineage through symbols, ciphers and metaphors. Ciphers by the way are secret or disguised way of writing; codes. We see codes, symbols and metaphors used a great deal in espionage work and in The Da Vinci Code film. But these can come through ancestors leaving diaries; or coming through to you in dreams. I have even read lately of ancestral patchwork quilts that became the focus of a wonderful career. Your ancestors may come through in many voices and languages. The voices may also be cultural ancestors and past lives. With Saturn here you may become an expert in these areas; a shamanic practitioner; an interpreter of dreams or a family constellation therapist. You may wish to investigate a book called Invisible Loyalties by Ivan Boszormenyi-Nagy and G.M. Spark which is all about ancestors speaking to their descendants. We can investigate all of this through shamanic journeys; past life healing; ancestral regression and healing or learn how to do this. It is a long journey, but a wonderfully rewarding one and generally we have been priestesses, nuns, priests, doctors or healers of some kind before in past lives and have had had ancestors who have been in the medical profession or religious orders I have a family full of both.

GEORGE HARRISON AND INHERITANCE. In regard to inheritance I am going to talk about George Harrison who began his musical career at age 15 as one of the Beatles. He inherited his love of Indian music and culture from his mother who played Indian mystical music while she was pregnant with George to make sure he was calm and happy. While pregnant with George, she often listened to the weekly broadcast Radio India and apparently every Sunday she tuned in to mystical sounds evoked by sitars and tablas, hoping that the exotic music would bring peace and calm to the baby George. George Harrison interest in non-Western instrumentation became more and more evident when he played swarmandal on “Strawberry Fields Forever”. By late 1966 fans could see he was obviously influenced by Eastern gurus and religious leaders and his the album cover for Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band in 1967 reflected this. His sole composition on the album was the Indian-inspired “Within You Without You”, to which no other Beatle contributed. George Harrison’s playing on Abbey Road, and in particular on “Something”, shows a varied range of influences, incorporating the styles of Indian gamakas.

His first Saturn return was tied to Indian music and strangely taxes came into the events of that time. Responding to a request from Ravi Shankar, George Harrison organised a charity event, the Concert for Bangladesh, which took place on 1 August 1971, drawing over 40,000 people to two shows in New York’s Madison Square Garden. Ravi Shankar and George Harrison planned the event to raise money to aid starving refugees during the Bangladesh Liberation War. Ravi Shankar opened the show, and famous musicians such as Dylan, Clapton, Leon Russell, Badfinger, Preston and Ringo Starr played. A triple album, The Concert for Bangladesh, was released by Apple Corps that year, followed by a concert film in 1972. Tax troubles and questionable expenses later tied up many of the proceeds, but George Harrison stated that, “The main thing was, we spread the word and helped get the war ended.”

George Harrison died on his second Saturn return of throat cancer. On 12 November, he met for lunch with Paul and Ringo for the last time at Harrison’s hotel in New York for lunch. He died on 29 November 2001, aged 58, from metastatic non-small cell lung cancer. His cremated ashes were scattered in the Ganges and Yamuna Rivers near Varanasi, India, by his close family in a private ceremony according to Hindu tradition. He left almost £100 million in his will. When George’s Harrison’s final album, the posthumously released Brainwashed (2002), was completed the inside liner of the album had a quotation from the Bhagavad Gita: “There never was a time when you or I did not exist. Nor will there be any future when we shall cease to be.” Such was his inheritance from his mother and Indian music and religion.

THE OCCULT means hidden or esoteric. We expect the occult to mean things relating to mystical, supernatural, or having magical powers, practices, or phenomena. Occult mysteries may be communicated only to the initiated. The occult includes the paranormal, psychic, necromantic, preternatural, and transcendental. But the occult includes all that is secret, dark, concealed, veiled, invisible, obscure, recondite, cryptic, arcane, abstruse, esoteric, cabbalistic; inexplicable, unexplainable, unfathomable, incomprehensible, impenetrable, unrevealed, puzzling, perplexing, mystifying, mysterious, enigmatic, and hermetic.

ERICH VON DANIKEN was one of the pioneers of the 1960s and 1970s who wrote about things that had previously not discussed. We did have Dennis Wheatly who talked about Devil worship and Arthur Upfield in Australian books who talked about Indigenous black magic, but along with Lobsang Rampa, Colin Wilson and Edgar Cayce Erich von Daniken was a pioneer in the fields of obscure and puzzling areas of life. Von Daniken, who was born on April 14, 1945, had Saturn in Pisces in his 8th house. This was opposite Moon conjunct Neptune in Virgo in the second house and square Chiron. I see Chiron here as a bridge and von Daniken certainly bridged time. He is a Swiss author of several books which make controversial claims about extra-terrestrial influences on early human culture, including the best-selling Chariots of the Gods, published in 1968. The general claim of Däniken over several published books, starting with Chariots of the Gods in 1968, is that extraterrestrials or “ancient astronauts” visited Earth and influenced early human culture. 1968 was slightly after von Daniken’s first Saturn return. Däniken suggest that constructions such as the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge, and the statues of Easter Island represent higher technological knowledge than is acknowledged to have existed at the times they were built. Von Daniken wrote about worldwide ancient artwork revealing astronauts, air and space vehicles, extraterrestrials, and complex machinery. Von Däniken further suggests that our religions may have originated as contacts with extraterrestrials. What is disturbing is that while von Däniken was writing his first book, scientists Carl Sagan and I. S. Shklovskii wrote about extra-terrestrial visitation claims in one chapter of their book Intelligent Life in the Universe. Carl Sagan wrote in the Foreword to The Space Gods Revealed, “That writing as careless as von Daniken’s, whose principal thesis is that our ancestors were dummies, should be so popular is a sober commentary on the credulousness and despair of our times.” At the time of his second Saturn return Erich von Daniken was still writing and he published The Eyes of the Sphinx: The Newest Evidence of Extra-terrestrial Contact (Berkley Publishing Corporation, 1996.)

We could also enter von Daniken into the 8th house Saturn arena of crime and dirty deeds. In 1968 he was arrested for fraud, after falsifying hotel records and credit references in order to take out loans for $130,000 over a period of twelve years. He used the money for foreign travel to research his book. In 1970 he was convicted for “repeated and sustained” embezzlement, fraud and forgery. In 1970 he was sentenced to three and a half years. Liz Greene suggest that Saturn square Chiron which he has, is bitterness, but with a square between Pisces, ruled by Neptune and Gemini I would say bending the truth and fraudulence are on the cards. The god Hermes was well known for being a liar and thief from the moment he was born.


It would take me a book to outline all the parts of dark psychology, crime, bad karma, and defences and psychoses and neuroses so I will just do a couple here. I suggest you read Liz Greene’s two books: “Barriers and Boundaries” and “The Dark of the Soul” and even “The Astrology of Fate.” After all Liz Greene who is also enigmatic has Saturn in the 8th house. So I’ll just look briefly at the anal defence and paranoid personality disorder as typical of the 8th house. But right now I am going to look at Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper.

Here I wholeheartedly agree with someone who has analysed the Yorkshire Ripper’s chart. A person who has previously researched Peter Sutcliffe’s chart is Capricorn Astrology Research and he or she wisely suggests: “It’s always difficult to discuss the charts of serial killers or individuals who are so obviously seriously mentally disturbed. One problem is that people might look at such a chart and presume that this is the astrological signature for a psychotic mass murderer and possibly look for similarities amongst their friends, relatives, neighbours or more likely enemies.”
Whilst the 8th house is connected with passion and crime and death but this does not mean that people with Pluto, Mars and the Moon here will be a murderer or even violent. But Peter Sutcliffe’s horoscope has an exact conjunction of the Moon with Saturn the principle of restriction. This conjunction indicates a deep witholdment or repression (Saturn) of intense and powerful emotions (Cancer) and this can cause very bitter feelings psychologically. Apparently Peter Sutcliffe was demoralised by his father’s aggressive masculinity which according to Liz Greene was typical of an eighth house Saturn. Add this to his Pluto conjunct Mars you could possibly have a violent, enraged person, but you would have to look at the whole chart. Natal Pluto is a fundamental planet in his natal 8th house stellium and the first transit that Pluto made to a member of that group was the square to Venus from autumn 1975 to Summer 77. This serial killer had his Saturn return around his birthday in 1975 which is when he killed his first victim, Wilma McCann. He actually murdered her on October 30th 1975, and by June 1977 he had killed 5 times. The turning point in his life was when Pluto made a square to the Moon conjunct Saturn, a square in 1980 – 1981. Peter Sutcliffe was arrested in January 1981, and sentenced to life imprisonment for killing 13 women and trying to murder another seven women, in July of the same year. The High Court dismissed an appeal by Peter Sutcliffe in 2010, and said that the Yorkshire Ripper would never be released from prison.

He met his wife in 1967 and they married on 10 August 1974. His wife suffered several miscarriages and the couple were informed that she would not be able to have children. She resumed a teacher training course, during which time she had an affair. When she completed the course in 1977 and began teaching, they used her salary to buy a house in Heaton, Bradford, where they moved on 26 September 1977, and where they lived at the time of Sutcliffe’s arrest. 1977 seems to be a vital year where he felt emasculated. Sutcliffe had regularly used street-walkers in Leeds and Bradford. His outbreak of violence towards them seems to have originated with an argument over payment, but he later claimed to have been sent on a mission to kill prostitutes by the voice of God. At his trial, he pleaded not guilty to murder on grounds of diminished responsibility, owing to a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia, but this defence was rejected by a majority of the jury. Sutcliffe appeared to be living a normal, happily married life and friends and family were sceptical that the man they thought they knew so well was guilty for such depraved crimes. I wonder whether this has anything to do with Neptune, the planet of illusion in Libra being on his MC. Venus the ruler of Libra is in his 8th house. Venus also rules prostitutes and the women he killed were prostitutes. I can only imagine how horrified his wife was.

In Freudian psychoanalytic theory, in order to deal with conflict and problems in life, Freud stated that the ego employs a range of defence mechanisms. Defence mechanisms operate at an unconscious level and help ward off unpleasant feelings (i.e. anxiety) or make good things feel better for the individual. Behaviours associated with regression can vary greatly depending upon which stage the person is fixated at: An individual fixated at the oral stage might begin eating or smoking excessively, or might become very verbally aggressive. A fixation at the anal stage might result in excessive tidiness or messiness.

The anal stage is from 1 to 3 years and I am suggesting this because the bowels of faeces are ruled by Pluto and Pluto rules the 8th house. During the anal stage, Freud believed that the primary focus of the libido was on controlling bladder and bowel movements. The major conflict at this stage is toilet training in which the toddler learns to control his or her bodily needs. Developing this control leads to a sense of accomplishment and independence. Parents who utilize praise and rewards for using the toilet at the appropriate time encourage positive outcomes and help children feel capable and productive. Positive experiences during this stage served as the basis for people to become competent, productive and creative adults.

But parents, who punish, ridicule or shame a child for accidents can result in negative outcomes. If parents take an approach that is too lenient, an anal-expulsive personality could develop in which the individual has a messy, wasteful or destructive personality. If parents are too strict or begin toilet training too early, an anal-retentive personality develops in which the individual is stringent, orderly, rigid and obsessive. Note all the 8th house terms.

Liz Greene in her book “Barriers and Boundaries” sees anal defences as Saturn or Capricorn in the 8th house. Anal defences make a person mean; hoarding; emotionally mean, ungenerous and emotionally petty; nit-picking; humiliating, critical and controlling. It sounds very Virgoish too doesn’t it? “The urge to humiliate or pick apart”, says Liz Greene, “is in effect to reduce that person to shit” (page 15). And she adds it is a compulsive controlling need to control one’s environment because they feel like shit themselves; impotent, powerless and self-loathing. It seems they never have recovered from being humiliated themselves by an authoritarian, critical and manipulating parent. But Greene states if it is out of control it can blight your life; but positively, if it is in control it can make you self-sufficient, tenacious and self-controlled. We can see Prince Phillip here with his Saturn in Virgo in the 8th and a Capricorn ascendant.

I also know a very successful woman with Saturn in Scorpio and with Moon conjunct Pluto conjunct Jupiter in Virgo who has this defence. She has parts of the good and negative of this defence. As a baby at the anal stage around two she was found one night by her mother after she had painted her cot and the wall next to it, and herself with her own faeces. She looked at her mother and said, “Do you think it’s going to rain?”


We think of Howard Hughes, Stalin, Sadam Hussein or Richard Nixon here, but they do not, surprisingly enough have Saturn in the 8th house. One of the real problems that people with Saturn or Pluto in the 8th house might have is lack of trust, which may emerge from trauma from ages 6 to 13. No, I am not saying always, because everyone is different and I really believe that if our life is not full of joy, friends, lots of money and peace paranoia can get much, much worse. We can see that Prince Phillip could have easily become a person with little trust and incipient paranoia, but everything turned out rosy. He also has not turned to substance abuse, which in my experience makes potential paranoia much worse.

Psych Central Staff ( suggest that, “People with paranoid personality disorder are generally characterized by having a long-standing pattern of pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others.” For any counselling astrologers I suggest that from experience I can say that it is well-nigh impossible to do astrological counselling for these people without them exploding into some sort of accusations which may go on obsessively, for five separate emails about one issue, so this person is right, with a capital R and you are wrong. Since the paranoid beliefs are delusion and not based in reality, arguing them from a rational point of view is useless. Challenging the beliefs is also likely to result in more frustration on both the part of the therapist and client, too. Subtle jokes are often lost on them and allusions to information about the client not received directly from the client’s mouth will raise a great deal of suspicion. Over a number of years I have seen the same behaviour. I have worked with this archetype in astrological counselling; in psychotherapy and in shamanic healing and I have seen two in shamanic healing reject the healing because they do not like certain words. Because of their lack of trust in the world many will be atheists, agnostics, nihilists or pagans who have a hatred of what they call “Christian Gods” such as Jesus, Archangel Michael and Mother Mary.

Often this type of client, with Mars-Jupiter or Saturn-Mars in the eighth house, will tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about and any statements you have made will be distorted. I have found that clients seem to trust what is told to them in a document, but not in an email. I warn against saying a word because this will only increase the number of emails sent to you questioning your authority and telling you how you have betrayed them (the client) and how you cannot be trusted. Because Saturn is in the 8th house you will find that Aquarius or Saturn is on the Ascendant. But I have seen Saturn conjunct Mars conjunct Pluto represented here or Uranus-Pluto-Venus in Virgo or Mars-Jupiter-Saturn in Virgo. I have also seen Saturn –Mercury-Jupiter-Pluto conjunct Sun. Jupiter seems to expand the lack of trust. If you know that your client has this 8th house configuration is an ex-soldier or ex-criminal do not for safety’s sake does not take this person on as a client as they are vindictive. You cannot save the world.

In this regard Psych Central state: “It is likely that a therapy which emphasizes a simple supportive, client-cantered approach will be most effective. Rapport-building with a person, who has this disorder will be much more difficult than usual because of the paranoia associated with the disorder. Early termination, therefore, is common. As the therapy progresses, the patient will likely begin to trust the clinician more and more. The client then will likely begin disclosing some of his or her more bizarre paranoid ideation. The therapist must be careful to balance being objective in therapy and with regards to these thoughts, and of raising the suspicions of the client that he or she is not trusted. It is a difficult balance to maintain, even after a good working rapport has been established.”

We may see a paranoid or untrusting state if the client has Mars conjuncting Saturn in the 8th house in Libra or if they have Saturn in Aries in the 8th house they are never indifferent to the feelings of others, but can become angry when others try to interfere with them. Note that Libra and Aries and each sign will often act out the same behaviour because a polarity. With the Saturn-Mars energy in your 8th house, a person who is not used to having their plans questioned, and can launch malicious criticisms and possible dramas against those who they perceive to be their rivals.

With transiting Uranus in Aries conjuncting this archetype it is a great time to root out your hidden problems as with Uranus effecting a Saturn in Aries in the 8th house because physical violence or physical trauma can occur as a projection of pent up anger and frustration, as many of my clients can attest to.

A person with paranoid personality disorder will nearly always believe that other people’s motives are suspect or even malevolent. Individuals with this disorder assume that other people will exploit, harm, or deceive them, even if no evidence exists to support this expectation and their lack of trust may pervade virtually every professional and personal relationship they have. Therefore they drive people away. Individuals with Paranoid Personality Disorder are generally difficult to get along with at work and as a friend or lover and often have problems with close relationships. Their excessive suspiciousness and hostility may be expressed in overt argumentativeness, in recurrent complaining, or by quiet, apparently hostile aloofness. Because individuals with Paranoid Personality Disorder lack trust in others, they have an excessive need to be self-sufficient and a strong sense of autonomy. They also need to have a high degree of control over those around them. They are often rigid, critical of others, and unable to collaborate, and they have great difficulty accepting criticism.

Paranoid personality disorder usually begins in early life and may present in a variety of contexts, and the person with this personality disorder generally has four (or more) of the following indicators:
•Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
•Is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates
•Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
•Reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign remarks or events
•Persistently bears grudges (i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights)
•Perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others, and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack
•Has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
From a mainstream point of view long-term prognosis for this disorder is not good. Individuals who suffer from this disorder often remain afflicted with prominent symptoms of it throughout their lifetime.

First of all get a good shamanic practitioner. I do not promise that one session can cure this but in my experience over time paranoia can be alleviated by a number of soul retrievals.

ASPEN BACH FLOWER REMEDY helps alleviate unknown and irrational fears, because paranoia is based on fear and lack of faith in anyone and anything. Aspen is a remedy for anxiety and apprehension. It frees the paranoid mind to be open to experiences and life adventures. It eases adult’s and children’s nightmares. Aspen calms psychic influences, allowing a clearer reception of intuitive information.


•inner strength
•spiritual awareness

GREY SPIDER FLOWER is an Essence to deal with extreme terror, especially terror experienced in life-threatening situations or psychic attack. It deals with panic and nightmares. The Essence will restore faith and trust. Interestingly enough every time I picked this flower to make the Essence I came across a spider. There is a theory that spiders are an archetypal image for primordial fear.
Negative Condition:
•fear of supernatural and psychic attack
Positive Outcome:

The flower essence remedy Holly is particularly used to cure pessimistic or hostile emotions or thinking. Holly is basically a cure for exasperations; the feelings that wear away the soul, such emotions that fill the thoughts of an individual with a craving for vengeance. People who are said to be in the Holly state are without any love and their feelings are founded on powerful pessimistic emotions that are directed at destroying and debasing other people.

Any individual who is in the Holly state of mind sees their anguish or troubles as risks to their calm as well as happiness? So Holly people become oversensitive even to trivial happenings that would have otherwise left most individuals in peace. So their angry mind is set upon a negative response even to the extent of harming others. It is said that the Holly state is actually the attitude of a disturbed and antagonistic person and this condition is articulated by means of words or gesticulations or merely held within the individual, while provoked emotions seize the individual to fury and often revenge. They see others as a risk for them and they might be inclined to turn out to be unreasonable owing to misgivings, covetousness, rage, vengeance as well as injured pride. This will happen very quickly. In the case of persecutory or paranoid fantasies there may be resentments against the imaginary danger from other people. In the case of problems accompanied by impulse management, when anger is severe and unrestrained, therapy with Holly can help to reinstate the essential internal control. The Holly state of the mind is often a condition of fatigue, weary nerves and peaceful and calm environments are needed here. This intensity of emotions is very 8th house.

RED AURA SOMA POMANDER is for everyday protection. It balances one’s energies; helps overcome negative influences like frustration, resentment, and hatred. It diminishes shyness, and balances the passionate temperament. It restores harmony after lots of sex or intense thinking about sex. It helps overcome aggression, especially when this has to do with a lack of grounding. For any energy work in relation to the Earth.

Shamanic practitioners; holographic kinetic kinesiologist; intuitive healer or Barbara Ann Brennan practitioners may be able to help these clients, but note I say might. Much of the “might” has to do with how desperate the client is to change.

Character structure is a term that many body psychotherapists use to describe certain types of people. William Reich concluded that most of the people he treated could be fitted into five major categories because he found that people with similar childhood experiences had similar bodies and people with similar bodies had similar psychological dynamics (Barbara Ann Brennan; Hands of Light, p. 109.) This would take me pages to explain so I will speak more about it in a later article. But I would suggest reading Hands of light.

SHADOWS OF THE PSYCHE: NEUROSES. Neuroses are relatively mild mental illnesses (that are not caused by organic disease Ie liver disease; heart disease, kidney problems, pancreatic failure ) , involving symptoms of stress, such as depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive behaviour, hypochondria, but not a radical loss of touch with reality. Neuroses also include indecision and a degree of social or interpersonal maladjustment. Neurosis can also involve: anger, irritability, mental confusion, low sense of self-worth, and behavioural symptoms such as phobic avoidance, vigilance, impulsive and compulsive acts, lethargy and cognitive problems such as unpleasant or disturbing thoughts, repetition of thoughts and obsession, habitual fantasizing, negativity and cynicism, as well as interpersonal dependency, aggressiveness, perfectionism, schizoid isolation, and other personality disorders such as some personality disorders: paranoid, schizotypal, borderline, histrionic, and avoidant behaviour . Neuroses also include socio-culturally inappropriate behaviours. Do not forget that neuroses are so define by psychiatrists and in terms of shamanism they may symptoms of soul loss or dissociation from trauma and these symptoms can be alleviated by soul retrieval. Neurosis is a class of functional mental disorders involving distress but neither delusions nor hallucinations, whereby behaviour is not outside socially acceptable norms. The name was originally coined in the 1700s to mean nervy.

The shadows of the psyche may include jealousy, primal entanglements and these all need serious struggling with the heart or foundations with these shadows to untangle. What are dangerously unconscious plays out in the eighth house, and that can include power struggles with others. It’s the life sphere of emotional-soul stability, and that takes great courage to tackle. The courage is needed to face fears, like getting to the bottom of control issues. The healing comes from deep probing into the underlying currents that feed a personal demon, and being liberated from it.

TRANSFORMATION The eighth house involves the soul-level change we go through in a lifetime. Your many deaths of transformation are colored by the sign on the cusp, and the planetary action here. In the area of transformation I will include MARTIN LUTHER KING as he was responsible for transforming the Negro people of the USA from a pitiful situation in society to equality. Martin Luther King was an American pastor, activist, humanitarian, and leader in the African-American Civil Rights Movement. As a child Martin was beaten horrifically by his father to the age of fifteen. As a result of this and the treatment of his people he suffered depression all his life. He tried suicide by jumping out of a second storey building window at the age of 12 when his maternal grandmother died. By a miracle he survived. At his first Saturn return in 1959 he was inspired by the non-violent resistance of Ghandi and he travelled to India. And in 1958 he published his first book: “Stride towards Freedom.” We should not be surprised that he was a pastor and gained a PhD doctorate in theology as he had Saturn in Sagittarius and Sagittarius on his eighth house cusp. He died at the age of 39 when he was shot. It was found that his heart was the heart of a man of sixty because he has gone through so much stress. Stress is a typical response to an eighth house Saturn.


Those who are new to astrology see it as the house of sex and taxes and other people’s money. But it is also a house of the unconscious mind and the maladies of the unconscious mind. Today I would like to analyse Sigmund Freud’s contribution to what we know about sex. Freud was the originator of psychoanalysis, a clinical method for treating psychopathology through dialogue between a client and a psychoanalyst. Freud discovered transference (the process in which patients displace on to their analysts feelings derived from the sexual experiences and fantasies of their childhood), establishing its central role in the analytic process. Freud’s classification of sexuality was new for his time and still is influential. It included its infantile forms led him to formulate the fundamental principle of psychoanalytical theory, the Oedipus complex. Freud’s analysis of dreams as wish-fulfilments provided him with models for the clinical analysis of how medical are created and how and why we repress parts of our life and character. His analysis of dreams also created an elaboration of his theory of the unconscious as an agency disruptive of conscious states of mind.

On Freud’s first Saturn return he was appointed a university lecturer in neuropathology in 1885. Part of his first Saturn return was his study with Jean-Martin Charcot, a renowned neurologist who was conducting scientific research into hypnosis. Freud saw this stay as catalytic in turning him toward the practice of medical psychopathology. We see that both his Moon and Saturn are in Gemini and his eighth house cusp is Gemini. This is a sign of learning and is ruled by Mercury which is conjunct his Uranus and Sun in Taurus, the sign of sex. Uranus and Mercury conjunct usually indicate genius.

Freud’s second Saturn return seemed to coincide with his public break with his associate Carl Jung. In 1912, Jung published “Wandlungen und Symbole der Libido” (published in English in 1916 as Psychology of the Unconscious) making it clear that his views were taking a direction quite different from those of Freud. To distinguish his system from psychoanalysis, Jung called it analytical psychology. His second Saturn return was during the years of WWI when he was aged 58. Just before that he wrote “Totem and Taboo: Resemblances between the Psychic Lives of Savages and Neurotics” and in the next year he began two years of Introductory Lectures on Psycho-Analysis. Freud influenced a great number of people including Fritz Perls in Gestalt and William Reich in his sexual theory and Orgone theory.

I am writing about intuition in a book I am writing on faeries. There are many reasons why a person can be intuitive on some level: clairvoyant, clairsentient; clairaudient. One is inheritance because one’s parents or ancestors have been fey. Another is training over a lifetime and Neptune transits to one’s Sun. Another may be a Pisces Moon or Ascendant. Another still can be planets in the 8th house: Moon and other planets. We also may have an aura type that emerges from an arrested development before or at birth with a hostile mother known by Barbara Ann Brennan as a Schizoid Character Structure which is very intuitive primarily because the spend so much time outside their body when they are anxious.

TERESA OF AVILA born on March 28, 1515 had Saturn in the 8th house in Sagittarius. This trined her Venus in Pisces in her twelfth house and opposed her Mars conjunction Jupiter in her second house. Teresa was a mystic and was persecuted most of her life for her devotion to her mysticism. The kernel of Teresa’s mystical thought throughout all her writings is the ascent of the soul in four stages of prayer (The Autobiography Chapters 10-22). The first, or “mental prayer”, is that of devout contemplation or concentration, the withdrawal of the soul from without and especially the devout observance of the passion of Christ and penitence. The fourth is the “devotion of ecstasy or rapture,” a passive state, in which the feeling of being in the body disappears. It is interesting with her Saturn opposition Mars in Virgo that she constantly sought to escape her body rather than value it. Teresa is one of the foremost writers on mental prayer, and her position among writers on mystical theology is unique. In all her writings on this subject she deals with her personal experiences. Saint Teresa was someone who believed in miracles and they happened. Against much opposition from the Catholic Church she began the Carmelite Nuns who still operate in Australia. They live in silence and pray for the lives of people who are dying. I have a relation whose life was saved by the prayer of Carmelite nuns.

JOINT FINANCES. This is not the same as a Libran marital partnership although it may include this. It may include wills and trust accounts and people who not related going into a business partnership when separately they do not have enough money to buy a business. It can also include money laundering. VALENTINO, one of the world’s leading fashion designers with Saturn in Aquarius inconjunct Venus in the 12th and Neptune in Virgo in the 3rd, so Saturn was the apex of a yod. He is is a great example of entrepreneurial genius with inherited wealth.

DEATH. I do not need to expand on death, but this house may also signify the type of death. The sixth house is physical illnesses and the 12th house mental illnesses and institutionalisation.

Here I would like to look at Rajneesh who died on his second return of an HIV infection, diabetes and chronic stress. At the age of approximately 30 Rajneesh, an Indian man gained his PhD and became a professor at Jabalpur University. He began a number of meditation centers in 1962. He is notorious for his sexual liberation programs with his cult of the Orange People. He seemed to have gained his ideas from William Reich and DH Lawrence. He moved to America and with a number of criminals he descended into paranoia and poisoning people to gain his ends. His criminality and Second Saturn return death were a sad end for a once brilliant man.

A Saturn return may involve a major healing, especially between the age of 56 and 60 when people are desperate compared to age 28. Robert Downey Jnr is a good example.

His father was a drug addict who began Robert with marijuana at age six. He was addicted to drugs since the age of eight. Robert was a hard worker and studied classical ballet from age ten, sports and performing arts. That included violin and tennis. Robert has Pisces on the eight house cusp and Saturn conjunct Chiron in the 8th house. Naturally we see his father as Neptune in his fourth house. Robert has a Mars-Uranus –Pluto conjunction in Virgo opposing his Saturn. In cosmobiology these would be seen as a conjunction with Saturn. The stellium of Mars-Uranus-Pluto is in his 2nd house of resources. Luckily for him, Jupiter, one of the rulers of his Pisces Saturn is conjunct his Taurus Moon in the tenth house. This conjunction plus his stellium in the second at least would represent fierce determination to work and his creativity. His Venus conjuncts his Sun in the ninth house. At his first Saturn return he began to be successful as an actor, but he was arrested many times and jailed between 1996 and 20001 for drug possession. He married a second time on his Uranus opposition and his wife and friend Mel Gibson supported him to be free of drugs. He also his success to be drug free on Kung Fu, yoga, meditation, therapy, mediation and the twelve step recovery program.
Like many 8th house people he has great self-control, great perception and irresistible personal charisma.


Basically because Saturn returns are really the result the work you have done on yourself you can expect each Saturn return to be the effect part of cause and effect. They are your karma and sometimes just good or bad luck.

My answer to the people who have stated that their second Saturn return has been difficult is that I agree. A couple of years ago I was talking to a doctor from China who may have been in his mid-forties. He saw the date of my birth and launched into a diatribe about the selfish “baby boomers.” Those of us who do have Saturn in Scorpio which is very similar to Saturn in the 8th and are just having our second Saturn return are having a comparatively difficult return to the first one. But this time transiting Pluto and Uranus are in square; the world is in turmoil and we have had that dreadful Saturn inconjunct Uranus this year when the Malaysian Airlines plane was shot down over the Ukraine killing everyone aboard. In 1983-1984 at the time of my first Saturn return in Scorpio life was easy, it was easy to get work; get loans, make money; go to university free; we were younger; more positive; more attractive; the list goes on. Whatever the lessons, we need to seek our own security, and develop emotional stability with Saturn in the 8th house. With Pluto favourably influencing a chart, the results can be very beneficial indeed. It gives a person an amazing ability to focus themselves on whatever they set their mind to do and reach their goals without any self-sabotage. I hope this article has given you a few ideas and helped you.

Many blessings to you from,

This website is published, edited and designed by Hilary J. M. Bond PhD , Master of Education (Counselling); Diploma Psychological Astrology; FAA Practitioners Certificate in Astrology; Certificate in Mathematics and Astronomy of Astrology, ;Advanced Certificate Aura Soma Colour Therapy; Advanced Certificate Holographic Kinetics Dreamtime Australian Aboriginal Healing; Certificate in Intuitive Energy Healing; Certificate in Introductory Core Shamanism, Certificate in Shamanic Extraction and Psychopomp Shamanic Work; Attendance Certificate in Soul Retrieval (Four Winds.). This article and website reflects only Dr Bond’s personal views and opinions in her individual (non-medical) capacity. The information available at this website is not intended directly or by implication to either diagnose or treat any medical, emotional, or psychological condition or disorder. It is also not intended to create a physician-patient relationship between you and me. The information here is not a substitute for advice and treatment provided by your physician or by another healthcare professional. It is always recommended that consultation with local healthcare providers be obtained for any of your specific health or medical concerns.


  1. I’m impressed, I have to admit. Rarely do I encounter a blog that’s
    both educative and entertaining, and without a doubt, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
    The problem is something not enough men and women are speaking intelligently about.
    I’m very happy I stumbled across this in my search for something relating to this.

    • Hey Ciaro,

      Thanks for your compliments.

      I am not sure I know what a blog is (they sound like a cross between a witchedty grub and being bogged in quicksand), but I sure don’t write them. I write articles which take me a week to compile and edit like the good university lecturer in Human Welfare and teacher I have been for a long, long time.

      The major thing I tried to be here is positive, because there sure are a lot of obsessive, angry people I have come across with Saturn in the 8th house. To me getting on with life, forgiving others, even of the most heinous of crimes against you and living life in the moment sure helps instead of being stuck in a rut with your own bitterness as your own friend.

      And I sure do love the movie Blues Brothers. I am glad you do too.

      Take care,

      Dr Hilary Bond.

  2. Wow. This article blew me away. As someone having Saturn in the 8th in Aquarius, I’ve always been worried about my 1st Saturn return but seems that it may not just be a horrible experience. Here’s hoping!

  3. Dear Jessica, thanks for the compliment. I sure hope you have a really lovely first Saturn return. Can I suggest you read at least one book that has been written be a delightful psychologist called Dr Martin Segilman. His books are Authenticity, What you can change and what you can’t.; Character Strengths and Virtues; Grit (by one of his best buddies) and the Circuit of Hope. He is so positive and he might make you feel less threatened by yourself. My very best wishes and please let me know how you go, Hilary.

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