SATURN IN SCORPIO or THE EIGHTH HOUSE: THE ARCHETYPE OF SELF MASTERY © Copyright to Hilary Bond PhD. All parts reserved.

SATURN IN SCORPIO or THE EIGHTH HOUSE: THE ARCHETYPE OF SELF MASTERY © Copyright to Hilary Bond PhD. All parts reserved.

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“I hold that when a person dies
His soul returns to earth again,
Arrayed in some new flesh disguise
Another mother gives him birth.
With sturdier limbs and brighter brain
The old soul takes to the roads again.”
~John Masefield~


Of all placements that combine Saturn and Pluto this placement is the most karmic and one of the most arduous in terms of survival. Saturn the Lord of Time and Lord of Karma paired with another Lord of Karma, Pluto is a daunting placement. Here we talk not only of past lives, but lives between lives where our soul makes the decision what family, what environment and what body they will take on this time. All of this is for our soul’s transformation and self-mastery. Liz Greene notes, in her fascinating book on Saturn, that the 8th house is a “battle ground, the primary purpose of which is self-understanding and self-mastery through constant crises.” (p.26). From there she talks a great deal about sex and emotional catharsis, and a discussion of the different aspects of people who like sex and those who don’t, but this subject is exactly what I am not going to discuss. I am not qualified in counselling in sexual relationships so I’ll leave that to Billy Connelly’s wife. I’d much rather talk about the archetypes involved here, the myths, and the tools we use to evolve in this lifetime. So hold onto your seats and enjoy the ride. I never know quite what to expect and I allow my soul to write these articles.

But before I continue I will say also that the eighth house is also your inheritance and with Saturn in Scorpio or the 8th house you usually inherit practical gifts from your ancestors. There also an inheritance of hardship and survival through all odds and I include one ancestral story in this article.


Well-known astrologer and philosopher Rick Tarnas classifies archetypes as universal powers and energies that influence, drive, structure, and saturate our human soul and our conduct on many levels. Freud defined archetypes as ancient instincts and Plato defined archetypes as divine first principles. James Hillman saw them as gods of our psyches or souls. Thus says Tarnas, we might see Venus or Mars as archetypes with a transcendent, mythic quality, but psychologically Venus symbolises the desire for love and the experience of beauty and Mars symbolises the impulse toward forceful activity and aggression.

And yet archetypes can express themselves as instincts, compulsions and images from our inner being, but simultaneously these archetypes help us to understand the events and situations in the external world. Is it a Saturnian event or situation we ask or a Plutonic event? We can clearly see and understand the event better if we understand the archetype. We can understand ourselves better if we see whether the event is that of a high or low level.
Jung thought of archetypes as the basic building blocks of the human psyche, shared cross-culturally by all human beings, and he regarded them as universal expressions of a collective unconscious. Much earlier, the Platonic tradition considered archetypes to be psychological and cosmic and objective, as primordial forms of a Universal Mind that transcended the human psyche. Thus astrology support Platonism as well as the Jungian, since it gives evidence that Jungian archetypes are not only visible in human psychology, in human experience and behaviour, but are also linked to the planets and their transits in the heavens. Jung called the collective unconscious can be viewed as being ultimately embedded within the cosmos itself and in this light astrology supports the idea of an anima mundi, or world soul, of which the human psyche is part.

The ancient Roman god Saturn was known as Cronus in Greek times and Saturn in Roman times and the Romans worshiped him as a god of agriculture. Cronus was the youngest of the Titans, the Greek deities who ruled the world before the arrival of Zeus and the other Olympian gods and goddesses. Hesiod who wrote the Greek Epic, The Theogony approximately 800 years before Christ tells us:
“Gaia lay with Ouranos and bare deep-swirling Oceanos, Koios and Krios and Hyperion and Iapetos, Thea and Rhea, Themis and Mnemosyne and gold-crowned Phoebe and lovely Tethys. After them was born Cronos the wily, youngest and most terrible of her children, and he hated his lusty sire.”

Cronus seized power from the sky god Uranus, his father, by castrating him. Aphrodite or Venus was born from the foam of Uranus’s severed genitals. Probably the most well-known depiction of Saturn is Goya’s painting of Saturn eating his children. Hestia (Vesta) was first and eventually Rhea, Saturn’s wife, one of Mother Earth’s various guises, saved her last child Zeus by wrapping a stone in swaddling clothes. When Zeus was grown, he forced Cronus to vomit up the swallowed children: the deities Hestia, Demeter (Ceres) , Hera (Juno), Hades (Pluto), and Poseidon (Neptune.) Cronos later sired Chiron by the sea nymph Philyra. Zeus also freed the giants and the Cyclopes who had been imprisoned. Together they went to war against Cronus and the Titans and, after a violent struggle, emerged victorious. Zeus then banished the Titans to Tartarus, a place deep in the underworld.
We see that Cronos is a very violent god, an abusive parent who tries to kill creativity, fun, and our joyful inner child. He is the youngest child of another violent father, who tries to destroy the potential of his children and a mother who uses him to destroy his father’s fertility and creativity. So as an archetype Saturn is Fate, Father Time, Death, and the Grim Reaper. In Jungian and archetypal psychology, Saturn is often called the senex or wise old man. Esoterically, Saturn is considered to be the planet of karma, the carrier of karma from past lifetimes, the consequences of which we now have to encounter in the present life. It might be seen as the cross we bear, for it concerns our trials and sufferings which may often seem inexplicable and undeserved. The position of Saturn in one’s birth chart is thus a matter of great importance, and the major aspects it makes to other planets can tell us much about one’s principal concerns in life. Transits involving Saturn regularly mark periods of major developmental importance, often bringing times of personal trial, but also of deep maturation and the establishment of significant life structures involving one’s career, important relationships, or major karmic responsibilities.

It is worth remembering when we wriggle, blame and complain of Saturn’s role in the painful parts of our life is that Saturn indicates that which we have chosen to work with and through in this life in order to achieve a higher rung on the ladder of spiritual awareness. The sufferings and frustrations it may bring can perhaps best be seen as serving a purpose which will in the long run be recognized as worth all the hard work and trauma of life. So Saturn is that part of the archetypal birth process which oppresses and alienates, and yet slowly and gradually, often unnoticed, moulds and structures, and, in the end, guides us into a new vibration and chapter in our life.

Self-discipline is required to gain the positive benefits of this archetype if our soul path is that of Saturn or else this spirit seems punitive, hostile and negative. Saturn guards the entrance to the invisible worlds, thus he is the “guardian of the threshold.”

In basic astrology I teach that Saturn represents and urge for security and safety and his key word is the “teacher.” In the double headed yin and yang of life Saturn is where you focus best and take on responsibility or where you feel the least secure and tend to overcompensate.

Some books on astrology and past lives that Saturn in the 8th house indicate an old vow of celibacy or fidelity to one person for ever and may need investigating, but again I am more interested in personal growth as relationships with others always take the responsibility away for self-growth. But certainly Saturn in the 8th or Scorpio is a placement where you can almost be sure there are some old vows, agreements or oaths in past lives and ancestral lives that must broken. You can do this through a past life regression yourself or with a hypnotherapist or a shamanic practitioner or energy healer. The life between lives books by Michael Newton PhD help to understand not just past lives, but the lives between lives or the lives where our soul and their Council Elders and soul guide help them to unblock past lives. As a past life healer I can tell you that it is very easy to unblock decisions made in past lives. You can also try unlocking them in dreams too as this is a house of symbols and dreams are full of symbols that give clues to problems. Just one dream is not enough. Often dreams come in sequences that will continue until you break them.
There are probably some unexplainable phobias too connected to past lives and ancestral lives as the 8th house is a house of inheritance, so the inheritance isn’t just from this life. You will find once you release the inheritance of a phobia from a particular life a gift will come too as your soul will reward you.


Jamie Harrison of Always states, with confidence that, “Scorpio Saturn fears emotional rejection, being inadequate and that they are taken advantage of,” which may turn out to become a self-fulfilling belief and shadow that pushes people away. There are all sorts of healing therapies that can help to overcome these fears and break the cycle. Don’t expect it to be easy because a Saturn in Scorpio or in the eighth house often has deeply unconscious motivations which may not be obvious until the first or even Saturn return. The reasons for their fears or motivations behind overcompensating behaviour may be from psychological, psychosocial (foetal or childhood) , emotional or psychic (ancestral, past life, wounded inner child or shadow) causes. By finding their motivations, they may master their issues.

Molly Hall from About Astrology suggests similar things. She states, “Saturn’s raw material as the primal core out of which transformative energy emerges. On the journey, you confront many potential dangers as you learn to manage your own intensity.” Molly suggests taming or channelling the intense shadow emotions and fears such as manipulation, betrayal, abuse, jealousy, bedevilment and revenge.
And I have found from my own experience and from various clients and just watching famous people that learning to endure or deal with the wild, potent forces inside or outside yourself is where one claims your true power. By becoming a master of the dark, your shadow, any temptation and irresponsibility is where one faces our fears, and stand waiting at the threshold we learn and transform. Instead of running away and of course for many the other way is to retreat into madness of some kind. Of course solitude in the wilds of nature, time lone to restore one’s batteries and spiritual retreats are enormously restorative. Although I have been to hypnotherapy, used flower essences and various energy healers what has worked for me is shamanic journeying by others and for myself.

If you go through the alchemical process of transformation your journeys into often forbidding and sometimes terrible experiences and inner territory turns you into a wise guide for others. You then realise how to take the unhealthy and festering parts and convert them. This makes you a soul healer and by taking the challenging road that leaves no stone unturned, you become a trusted seer and guide for others. Thus when you face your own anxieties, terrors, doubts, suspicions, trepidation and all that goes bang in the night, then you learn to influence your own future and no longer call it fate. It is then that you become a deep and insightful senex person to those around you.
I find this is so true for all those who I have known who are Saturn in the 8th house people and all those who are in the Saturn in Scorpio generation I come from who were born in the 1954, 1955 and 1956. The December 1923 to December 1926 generation were Saturn in Scorpio people as were the late 1982 to late 1985 generation also were and now we are in the middle of another Saturn in Scorpio transit or generation again (October 2012 to September 2015.)


I’d like to tell you about a series of Saturn in Scorpio returns and you can watch the themes. My Nana’s generation had Saturn in Scorpio. They were the 1894-1897 generation. She had the same degree of Saturn in Scorpio as me and now she is my spirit guide after 28 years (a Saturn cycle) of passing from this world. I watched my Nana as a child and then in retrospect from my Dad’s stories of her heroism and then from the family history research that my sister and I did.
Nana was born in London into a happy family, but with an interesting background, which we never knew about until my sister unearthed this, when Saturn came into Scorpio again. Nana would never talk about her past. She said they were all gone and that her aunts and uncles had moved to the Channel Isles during WWII and had been killed. Her father was a police inspector of Scotland Yard. He had been born at Gibraltar where his Scottish highland father (Donald Bain) was a guard in the military prison there.

We also found out that Nana’s mother’s siblings were all single and indeed they had disappeared during the war. They lived in the same house as Nana when she grew up, as did her grandparents on both her mother’s and father’s sides. Nana’s Nana Josephine was born in 1835 and she too was a Saturn in Scorpio person and she too bought Nana up, just as my Nana bought me up. My great-great grandmother Josephine was a natural healer; a herbalist and she would have been known as the village witch. My great-great grandparents were the managers for a large farming poor house in Surrey where they gave homeless people skills and a home. In my last shamanic journey the shaman saw her and described her to me and apparently she helps me in my healing journeys. She too like Nana (with my birth) had her second Saturn return when Nana was born. When my female grandchild is born in July she will be born 3 degrees from my Saturn. So we will have the fifth Saturn in Scorpio female to be born in five generations. My sister, who was born in 1956 is a Saturn in Scorpio person too.

Dad had always said that Nana’s father died, when she was seven, of a smallpox inoculation that had gone wrong. But when my sister and my amazing psychic niece started researching they found that Nana’s father had been moved to an asylum in Kent for the insane when Nana was four. Her father had syphilis. I can’t imagine how horrendous this must have been for Nana’s mother. The secret stayed undisclosed until my second Saturn return, which would have been Nana’s fourth Saturn return. Nana’s father had been a Mason so she went free to a school run by the Masons in Clapham Junction in London. They were the happiest days of her life and she was trained to be a teacher there too. In those days they were called student monitors.

Indeed on the day Nana died the transiting Sun and Moon were exactly on her Pluto. Nana had only been in hospital once before, when my Dad was born. She was never ill, but three days before she died she rang Dad and told him she thought she was going to die and could he please take her to hospital. Saturn had just finished it’s time in Scorpio, so she had just completed her third Saturn return. Transiting Pluto had also just gone over her Sun and Chiron. She and Dad were both Sun conjunction Chiron like me. Dad rang me and we both sat with her.

A few hours before Nana died she asked for three clocks and she set them, one on her hospital bed (movable) table, and the other two on her bedside tables. An hour before she died she had a dream. She sat up straight; Nana never slouched and told us, “I was running down the hall with the girls at Clapham Junction [school.] There was a light at the end of the hall we were running towards.”
Then she lay down and Dad said, “What happened then? What happened to the Light?”

“What light?” she asked and moved the clocks back to where they were before Dad had shifted them for Nana to sleep comfortably. Dad had taught me when I was a little girl about the Light that beckons people as they die. I couldn’t stop crying because I knew what was going to happen, but Nana told me, “Pull yourself together Hilly. Dying is nothing to worry about.” So I went out. While I was outside she died.

Nana’s second Saturn return was on the day I was born (she was 57) and she and Grandad lived with us on our large sheep property. Indeed, Nana and Grandad owned our property so we lived as a large family the way she had grown up. Nana was very protective of me. The year I was born was the Suez crisis and Grandad’s bales of wool from a very good year was piled up waiting on the wharves in Australia. As Australia had the only wool that was not blockaded Grandad and Nana became millionaires overnight.

Nana’s first Saturn return was when she became engaged to Grandad. She had been the Nanny for Grandad’s brother (Uncle Stanley’s) three children for years at Mount Macedon in Victoria, Australia. It was a beautiful spot full of exotic gardens and had a similar to England. Nana loved those children, Dad’s cousins and right up until Nana’s death they came to visit her every year because she was the family matriarch, the senex. Grandad had met Aunt Marion, a lovely nurse, Uncle Stanley’s future wife in Cairo in 1914 and had immediately written to his elder brother that he had thought he had found someone Uncle Stanley who was suitable. And on that recommendation they were married. Meanwhile Nana was steaming through the war a ship to Australia and she and her mother stopped at Bombay. Nana was trampled and nearly died. Transiting Saturn was on her Mars. She never forgot and it was her only phobia. Nana had Moon in Aries and had always gone where angels feared to tread. She had been on the same voyage the year before, when Saturn was opposing her natal Saturn, but Nana and her mother didn’t feel comfortable in Australia, so they went home to England. When they arrived they felt depressed because it was so cold and wet so they returned to Australia. In 1918 Nana went to work for Uncle Stanley. When Grandad returned to Australia in 1921 Uncle Stanley wrote to him and told him that he had a lovely Nanny who he thought would be happy to marry Grandad. Nana and Grandad wrote to each other. By now Grandad was managing five large sheep and cattle properties in the semi desert in North West Queensland. For a woman who had come from lush England, a large family and a city life the thought of going to live on an isolated property with only a male Chinese cook and a male jackeroo (cowboy) for company must have been daunting, but on her first Saturn return in 1926 they became engaged by letter and in 1927 she married Grandad and went out to live through droughts, floods, fires. In the dreadful drought years the bank resumed all the properties, but gave Grandad the option of staying on and living on bush tucker (birds that Grandad killed, various plants and bread she had made from ground yams.) Every year that shearers came to shear about 6000 to 8000 sheep on the property Nana would cook and clean for them which was quite some job because shearers are rough men, but they expect perfection or else they will walk out. But Nana was a perfect cook and I remember her mouth-watering cooking.

In 1937 her mother died in poverty and was buried in a pauper’s grave. The droughts meant that Grandad and Nana were penniless and couldn’t afford a funeral. Transiting Mars sat on Nana’s natal Saturn. Nana’s mother’s Moon sat on Nana’s Saturn and my Saturn.

From what my sister and I have worked out Nana’s aunts and uncles were all killed (during WWII) when transiting Saturn opposed her Saturn in 1941. Dad was sent down to Uncle Stanley in Melbourne as the Japanese were uncomfortably close. All the children in the area were evacuated. Nana stayed with Grandad. From then on Nana knitted socks for soldiers and from 1945 onwards knitted socks for homeless returned soldiers.

In early 1963 my parent’s separated. I stayed with Dad and Nana and Grandad. My mother’s side of the family were vengeful, vitriolic and full of divisive gossip, but Nana said nothing about Mum or her family. She showed none of the lower Scorpio–Pluto traits. I will talk about the concept of “the enemy” from the Dalai Lama’s perspective in my next article on Saturn in Scorpio, but for Nana she just “turned the other cheek” as the Christ suggested. Nana wasn’t pious ; but just like her behaviour during the rest of her life, she was practical and pleasant and made sure my siblings and I were safe. Grandad had become an atheist after the war, but as Nana was a very strong, but not proselytising Christian Grandad drove her forty miles through dry creek beds and corrugated dirt roads into town to the little church. In all the time I knew here the only book she read was the bible even though Grandad had books stacked to the ceilings.

In early 1964 Grandad died. Nana was devastated and by May she left to live in Brisbane, 2000 kilometres south where she and Grandad had planned to retire. He died quickly. Transiting Saturn squared her Saturn when he became ill and was hospitalised and Uranus squared Nana’s Saturn. She had a close Saturn-Uranus-Venus conjunction in Scorpio. Our family left our property later that year. Nana became a member of the Anglican Church community and lived a comfortable life. She looked after my younger sister on weekends and when I visited she took me to the ballet and to lunch at lovely restaurants. In 1978 my Dad bought our sheep property back and transiting Saturn and Uranus squared its natal position. Nana did not say how upset she must have been. I was the only family member left living nearby Nana. Then in 1984 a year before she died she returned to visit our property. Dad said she was terribly confused and expected Grandad to be there. In 1997 Dad died and he had moved into the town where he had been born in 1928. On the day of his funeral we (my three siblings and I) all saw Nana in our dreams and her spirit appeared for a few moments in Dad’s house. Nana had come to take him home.
In a Shamanic journey years ago for my daughter, on my daughter’s Saturn opposition Saturn, Nana’s mother, Alice came forward to announce that she was my daughter’s soul guide. I had found that Nana was my soul guide last year when Saturn in Scorpio had begun to widely aspect my natal Saturn. From what I gather from the times I have seen Nana and heard her advice and words she is also a spirit who trains other guides.
I hope you have benefited from the information about Saturn in the story of my Nana’s life. Please don’t copy it as it is my story of my ancestors who I love.


The kabbalah suggest that the positive colour of Saturn is indigo and the negative is black. They also suggest that white is the positive. So let’s have a look at aura soma and Saturnian themes.
The white Aura Soma essence is strongly cleansing and harmonising on all levels and facilitates our capacity to see, feel and sense ourself anew with more insight. White or clear helps us see our gifts and what we have to offer the world. It also supports bringing our light into any situation so all shadows and wounds are highlighted. Thus it helps us see a reflection of ourself without judgement and it allows us to be with others more easily and if we are on a healing path it allows us to see where others may need healing so they may continue on their hero or heroine’s path. The ingredients in the white oil and white essence are lily of the valley, magnolia, quartz, moonstone and silver.


This healing colour therapy belongs to chakra 8 but I believe it also clears the third eye. The major theme with the Metatron bottle is “The light coming into the shadow.” The two colours in this bottle reflect all of the colours; the transparency of the white light in the above fraction and the Deep Magenta that absorbs all the light in the depths. This Aura Soma equilibrium bottle offers the possibility of bringing the light into the shadow and the opportunity that you can see things as they are within the mirror and, at the same time, be prepared to look into what lies within the shadow.

This therapeutic colour essence gives a new acceptance of all that lies within your depths. Thus you become a person who dares to face the greatest challenges with courage and care, so you feel balance and equilibrium after the storm.
I see this Metatron bottle (oil and water blend) as helping people on difficult Saturn transits and Saturn returns It is for people who might suffer a lot for many reasons. B100 can help us to understand the reasons for suffering when we are using it. It seems cruel to point out, but also compassionate that the major reasons for suffering are first, getting what we don’t want, second, wanting what we can’t have and third often not being able to distinguish between these two. This colour therapy helps facing the shadow and all aspects lying within the shadow. On the spiritual level one sees a light in the dark, enlightenment through intense caring, intense love, and intense light. There is here an important link between the Human Kingdom and the Divine Kingdom. This therapeutic essence also supports the work on the planetary grid system of the earth. On the mental Level light shines on the issues of self-love and self-acceptance and there is help to release blocks related to self-acceptance. On the emotional Level there is support for the need of love and caring at the deepest level. You would apply this liquid all over your body.



My Nana used to wear Lily of the Valley talcum powder and I remember its soothing scent, so I know how special it is right away. Diana and John of the Tree Frog Farm in Washington State, USA love it too and they tell us that, “The flower is a favourite of garden fairies and is also known as Our Lady’s Tears since, according to Christian legend, the tears [Mother] Mary shed at the cross turned into Lilies of the Valley.” The affirmation to go with this is “I AM calm and have complete acceptance knowing all is in Divine order.”

It is not usual for me to put in a large section of what another person or website has said, but I love the energy of these people so here we are. Diana and John suggest that you use Lily of the Valley Flower Essence when you feel disconnected from the fullness of your spiritual potential; when you wonder if there is a purpose or value to your current life lessons and to the lessons happening in the larger collective human experience, Lily of the Valley will help you realize that all is in Divine order.

The following description of the action of Lily of the Valley Flower Essence comes from a team of Light Beings that worked with Diana to make this essence:
“ Lily of the Valley Flower Essence facilitates reconnection of the energetic pathways that hold the knowledge of being multidimensional humans. These energetic circuits-pathways are mirrored in the brain by nerve pathways that connect the right and left hemispheres of the cerebral cortex with the front to back pathways from the frontal lobes to the brain stem, forming a cross. The sacred information about these pathways and access to them through the 3rd eye is stored in the symbols of the ankh and the cross, but has been dormant for close to 2000 years. When we have access to these circuits, we can see “current reality” within the scope of larger “ultimate reality.” Lily of the Valley was chosen for this essence because if its association with the Christian churches which caused mankind to lose the training to access these multidimensional circuits and we lost the teaching that our bodies are a hologram of the Tree of Life connecting us from the centre of the Earth to the centre of the Milky Way Galaxy.” This seems no co-incidence that the Metatron bottle works in the same way.

Diana continues: “We lost the invaluable knowing of Earth as a school for many lifetimes and the understanding of death as a transition to other realities where we evaluate our life and choose our next lessons. These losses have caused great distress and a sense of powerlessness with our personal and societal spiritual growth and development. Lily of the Valley Flower Essence is designed to gently wake us up through harmonizing our nervous system, including the brain, with the multidimensional frequencies. When this knowing is grounded into our Earth bodies, we experience a profound sense of calm and divine order. It becomes virtually impossible for anything to unnerve us.”
Isn’t this soothing and great to know! With Saturn in Scorpio’s intensity and strong emotions it is good to know that this can be toned down, so we “Lighten up.”

Regarding the Lily of the Valley Essence John and Diana also say: “This essence was made by the no-pick method. While the essence was being made, amber and drusy quartz crystals were placed among the plants and the storage (mother) bottles. Amber receives and focuses sunlight. The sun acts as a transformer to step down spiritual energies from higher dimensions. Amber acted as a lens to imbue the spiritual qualities of sunlight into the essence. Drusy quartz crystals help to energize and stabilize the subtle bodies. The actions of the gemstones inform the way this flower essence seats into the physical body. ”

This information and energy feels good to me, so it is my heart-felt recommendation that you order your essence from them and have a look at their Face Book page. They live in Washington State, USA.

MOON SHADOW ROSE FLOWER ESSENCE is great for this Saturn Scorpio return or a Saturn in the 8th house return. Diana of the Tree Frog Farm says of the Moon Shadow Rose essence: “Instead of chasing shadows of your past, be open to the lessons that can be gleaned and move forward toward discovering your authentic Self. Let the dreaming dance the shadows away.” The wonderful affirmation is, “I AM willingness to release shadows of the past and become my authentic Self.”
MAGNOLIA FLOWER ESSENCE IS for unconditional love. According to Bailey Essences in the UK this essence helps to bring and awaken within us the energies of love and compassion. Magnolia shows that true love does, indeed, conquer all. It allows us to let go of our shadow existence and grasp the nettle of reality. Unconditional love is not necessarily pleasant; it has nothing of the sentimental Mills and Boon romantic novel (or Cathy and Heathcliff) aspects or sexual aspects that so often pass for love. Indeed, it can be very disturbing to be on the receiving end of its attentions! It will not let us go however much we try to avoid it. Magnolia helps us to go forward into those expanded realms with courage and fortitude.


A couple of days ago I posted a post thanking my Facebook friends for being so caring and reassuring them I just needed a break. I put up a picture of Lily of the Valley. My friend W.G. immediately told me that Snow drops were the flower for February. I inwardly shrugged, but just twigged now to the amazing synchronicity. The water signs are Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces. Cancer is the ocean, masses of flowing water. Scorpio is ice and snow; frozen water and Pisces is gas; water turned to vapour, so Snow Drops have to relate to Scorpio. So it seems logical that White Snow Drops Flower Essence is used when in need of renewal, tender hope, and release from the hardened aspects of the past. The flower remedy opens the heart to nature and flowers. It is a wonderful essence to use when in crisis; and when the individual must push thought an obstacle without struggle. Listen to the words (obstacles-Saturn) and crisis and renewal (Pluto and Scorpio.) Thanks W.G.
Rain forest and the soft rainy country of Washington State in America are very different to the harsh semi-desert country that I grew up in in Australia. So, for Australians I recommend these Ian White Bush Flower Essences. Dagger Hakea, Mountain Devil, Waratah and Grey Spider Flower are for very extreme and intense emotional states and Macrocarpa and Bauhinia are for exhaustion and rigidity.


Oh, my how quickly the pages fly when I am writing and I try to stay under ten pages. So I really need to complete my exploration of Saturn in Scorpio in another article. The flower essences and/or homeopathic remedies you take may also depend on your miasm and syphilitic for a start is strongly related to a person with 8th house or Scorpio Saturn. I also suggest that you look at the position of your (or your client’s) Mars and Pluto when you are dealing with Saturn in the 8th or Saturn in Scorpio. Of course as we have Saturn in Scorpio as a transit at present we need to think about how it influences us.
You not only need to look at the sign it is in, but the aspects too, for a Mars in Aries in the first house, trine Jupiter or Venus will have flowing energies. But a person with Mars aspecting Neptune in the 12th or 4th may have series difficulties keeping their energy flowing because of ancestral, childhood or past life blocks. The shadow here and wounded inner child may need a lot more work, so never look at Saturn in Scorpio or 8th house as an isolated archetype. Interestingly I have seen family cases where a client will have Saturn in Scorpio with Mars aspecting Neptune and the caregiver, whether it is a grandparent or parent will have an identical planetary set up. Astrology and archetypes always act in context, whether the context of the family system or the context of one’s culture or the environment of one’s upbringing.
I wish you all well and thankyou for joining me in my journey in Self-Mastery and Saturn in Scorpio or the 8th house. I would like you to join me again in my next article “Saturn in Scorpio: The Spiritual Descent.” It’s not finished yet, but when it is you will see it.
Many blessings from Hilary.


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7 thoughts on “SATURN IN SCORPIO or THE EIGHTH HOUSE: THE ARCHETYPE OF SELF MASTERY © Copyright to Hilary Bond PhD. All parts reserved.

  1. Hello, you have an amazing blog! I just discovered it weeks ago and it combines all of my interests. Thank you for such well written, amazing articles and information! I am in college studying Psychology right now and would love to incorporate it with astrology some day, and shamanism, crystal healing, etc. You are an inspiration!

    My Saturn is in the 8th house in Sagittarius. I have been very interested in Past Life Regression, and read the book Many Lives, Many Masters by Dr. Brian Weiss. I would love to go to a hyponotherapist one day to get a past life regression, though currently they are pricey where I live. In the meantime, do you recommend any online recording or cds that I can use to go try to take my self into a past life regression? Is this possible for someone to do on their own? I am so fascinated with reading about others past life regression sessions and know that I could really help heal myself through these. I really want to know what happened in the past that is holding me back in certain areas of my life. I would also love to unblock past life decisions made through my dreams. Do you recommend any books on dream interpretation, or what would I need to do to learn how to interpret my dream symbols to unlock past life decisions? I have many vivid dreams, I just haven’t been able to interpret them clearly. Your advice is greatly appreciated!

    Thank you so much!

    • Hi Hilary,
      Thank you so much for your email! I’m not sure what decisions I have made in the past or what my oaths my ancestors have made or what beliefs I may have inherited from them. That is really cool that hypnotherapists and shamanic practitioners can do past life regressions for people anywhere in the world. I look forward to having one, one day, maybe then I could see what I did in past lives that are affecting me today. I didn’t know Saturn rules the spine that is great to know that I have the willpower to do what I want. Thank you for your wisdom!
      Many blessings to you,

  2. Hi Felicia,

    Thanks for your reply.

    I am sorry. I haven’t made myself clear.

    1. Hypnotherapists can only do a past life regression with their client right there physically.

    2. Shamanic practitioners and energy healers can do past life regressions and healing with a client physically present too.

    3. However, shamanic practitioners can also do past life regression healings and ancestral healings, plus break old ancestral oaths and past life oaths with a client who is not physically present. The client they are working with can be anywhere in the world and the healing still works.

    4. I think you are already aware that we humans have four major brain waves:
    (a) alpha (daydreaming/meditating)
    (b) beta brainwave (talking, analysing)
    (c) theta (dreaming)
    (d) delta (deep sleep)

    5. Since the beginning of time shamanic practitioners can, with extensive training, go into a theta brainwave. In this state the shamanic practitioner ‘s spirit can go anywhere in space and time. In the theta state there are no limitations to space and time. Therefore they can easily go into the past and work with their guides (mine are archangels) to heal mistakes and traumas that have been made in the past.

    6. Hypnotherapists do not do this.

    7. People with planets in the 12th or 8th or Scorpio or Pisces often are given this ability by ancestors. You may well have heard that gypsy people have this ability, Scottish people, Irish people and some Indigenous peoples. I am sure there are other people who have a great natural talent in this area.

    I hope I have made myself clearer here. .

    Best Wishes and thanks so much for your comments,


  3. Dr Bond. A wonderful article which made me comment on this.

    To my surprise I have Saturn in Scorpio(First House) & Moon in eight house with Mars in 3rd house.
    I am born in Indian Calender week where people pray to their ancestors in holy river & offer “Pind”,which is commonly called pitrupaksha.

    I agree to you about the ancestor connection. The inward struggle,the standing tall in times of difficulty.

    I understand the killing of inner child & taking responsibility at very young age.
    The cycle of KARMA to give it back to the ancestors what was taken in the past.

    Now Saturn Transit from Libra to Scorpio on Nov 02’14 would again give these people chance to repay the debt of the past. Most of the Saturn in Scorpio signs people would suddenly have more responsibility in coming months from the ancestor perspective.

    What helped me was Strengthening inner self with the help of GURU.Getting to understand that there is a major force across the world which is far more stronger than the planets & believe that miracle can happen. The Guru can take you out from your past ancestor karma provided you have an undivided faith in him.

    I respect the deep understanding of the author on the subject & would like to guide all people who are in this constellation should find soothing in GURU.
    Therapies works best for certain amount of time & then you have to redo it again & again.


  4. Hello, My saturn is in Scorpio AND in my 8th house. Does this mean that I am totally screwed with difficulty? I am in my second saturn return and it certainly feels that way.

    • Hi,

      Me too. I am on my second Saturn return and it does get better. We have had that pesky Uranus inconjunct Saturn. Transiting Pluto is squaring transiting Uranus. I have looked back at all the Saturn in Scorpios over times for hundreds of years and this would have to be the hardest. Next article I am writing about your statement/question.

      Concentrate on the good things in your life. Don’t forget this is a whole generation of us and many of us are doing many pro-active things to improve our lives rather than be victims.

      Happy Days….

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